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Jesse’s other podcasts:
The New Abnormal
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-abnormal-with-molly-jong-fast-rick-wilson/id1508202790
Off the Record
https://www.tumblr.com/blog/offtherecordfm
Noise Creators
http://noisecreators.com/category/podcast/
Teaching Musicians To Promote Their Music
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0a-qcXVlh4Teya-EiEz-GA?view_as=subscriber
Atlantic Records Inside The Album
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/inside-the-album/id1428972199
Leftover Crack
https://www.punknews.org/review/3386/leftover-crack-fuck-world-trade
Teenage Supplicants Starring Dave Supplicant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJHr7ZqsPuw
Bill Florio’s single songwriting effort
https://nobreaksrecords.bandcamp.com/track/short-attention-working-undercover-bill-florio
Yo! Baby, ‘Sup
https://www.discogs.com/Bugout-Society-Yo-Baby-Sup/release/2332298
Bensonhurst
Artie Philie
https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/artie-philie
Iron Prostate
George Tabb
http://nywaste.com/nyw_main/music/band_georgeTabb.html
OPEC-SID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvIkZSx_Vmk
Sam McPheeters
https://www.popsike.com/DEAR-JESUS-zine-36-Lifes-Blood-Dischord-NFAA-soulside/200384114829.html
Print Coupons Not Money
https://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/11/prweb4814094.htm
Ramones 1st Record - Remastered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skdE0KAFCEA&list=PLBnJv6rImVe-LcbIsBXzIp6BpV6hqZnoO
Clash - Give ‘Em Enough Rope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_1ujgS8bIM&list=PLw8I74P--tlXZe_6O5hnwOUTk8jHdoAm8
I Fought The Law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtQj8O92eI
Broken Vacuum Tubes
Brian DiMeglio Editor
https://twitter.com/BrianDimeglio
M.O.T.O.
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=fPK_tXBH650&list=RDAMVMfPK_tXBH650
https://music.youtube.com/channel/UCHTiWZ4Om7kICEwEcViCunA
Chuck Loose Iron Forge Press
https://www.ironforgepress.com/site_files/design.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyG2rBMazRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwa3eetXoVs
Rev Norb
https://youtu.be/KVXKJb_Ci4U?t=56
Charlie’s Microwave
https://www.ebay.com/b/Vintage-Cell-Phones/182073/bn_16566390
Rick Ta Life
Steve Martin Nasty Little Man
https://www.nastylittleman.com/contact/
Snausages Fly - 7:52
Mummies - No Fi
Queens Ramparts
Trumps family not buried here
https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-people-buried-in-calvary-cemetery-queens/reference
Rape Cemetery
Louisville Cemetery
Colonel Sanders Grave
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11451
KFC Xmas
McDonald’s AI
Bagdad Bob
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf
Big Boy
Ollie’s Trolleys
https://bittersoutherner.com/ollies-trolley-worlds-greatest-hamburger
Krystal Vs White Castle
Warren Buffett
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/12/warren-buffett-and-mark-cuban-met-for-lunch-at-dairy-queen.html
KRS-One
www.vegansmart.com/healthy-smart/smart-lifestyle/hip-hop-goes-vegan
Anthrax Dan’s Watches
Judgement Night Soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UivzjCaYbJM
Machine Gun Kelly Punk Record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLTLVVicjEo&list=PLwpJnoDkVboRmgrYEZj0ImVSMFlf2ixIK
Rock Hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsVAOjVYQnY
Rappin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLovs3yhVI4
Crush Groove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjEJ5UqH0pY
(Not Mentioned) Tougher Than Leather (Slayer in Final Scene)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ1xy86w6Y4
Sum41 Fat Lip
Dave Cobb
https://www.davecobbproducer.com/about
Ghost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ijc7A5oAc
Venn Diagram Definition
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Venn%20diagram
Milo Aukerman
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Milo-J-Aukerman-2108843098
Jack Dorsey
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/10/jack-dorsey-twitter-beard-congressional-hearing
Jim Williamson
Business Analysis
https://www.batimes.com/articles/nine-key-skills-that-every-good-business-analyst-needs.html
Teach For America Tips
https://www.teachforamerica.org/stories/5-ways-to-prepare-for-your-interview
https://www.heiseheise.com/57/the-final-teach-for-america-interview-day
The Bobs
Arepa Lady
https://www.grubstreet.com/2020/04/nyc-restaurants-delivery-struggles.html
hey this is bill florio this is mc
charlie boswell
hey it's dave harrison hey it's jesse
cannon all right
so we're calling this our new year's
special we're going to take questions
well holiday happy holidays everybody
merry christmas merry christmas i'm at
warro on christmas i can't say that
i think we should actually you know i
keep thinking about this we should start
saying really offensive
outlandish things to get jesse in
trouble with his other podcast
that's a great idea i like this i like
this a lot because someone's gonna dig
it up i guarantee you there's at least
one person listening to try
and find dirt on the new abnormal people
and
if we uh if we start telling really
embarrassing stories about jesse and
making him
comment on things that are uh incredibly
uncouth i think we could uh we could get
some new fans
i'll just do the favor already google
the bad leftover
crack
yeah okay yeah on fire you did it you
did it i think you did it yeah
what's it called world trade [ __ ] world
trade world [ __ ]
songs about shooting the kids at school
and killing cops you know
it goes over well yeah especially since
people don't know what being a
provocateur means
so jesse do you think people don't know
your background or they just
like i'm always a little bit afraid
about this and and i think this is
something i'd love to hear from everyone
on like
i'm always afraid if i got too good at
something that someone would kind of dig
into my past and find
like not that i think there's anything
crazy bad there but there's definitely
some things that like
i'd have to explain like bad song lyrics
or like you know stupid decisions i made
when i was 19.
i haven't done much where my name is
the capital letters on things so i can
you know kind of take the plea of that
artist vision i don't pay
attention to the lyrics whatever it is
which basically this is
making me so i don't have a defense but
whatever we could cut this
there's also this thing that you know a
lot of people now are discussing
platforms
it's like you know do i think people
should be de-platformed for any of the
things i've done
no i mean honestly i've turned sent back
money numerous times when there's been
like really racist things that have been
sent to me
yeah i mean i i think bill what do you
you know is there anything that you
you ever worry about someone at work
being like oh wow you know i found this
album you were on or or anything like
that
i feel like i always was kind of a
troublemaker but the amount of
back end story you need to understand
the joke i was making that might have
been inappropriate seems like
a big barrier to go over so like you
didn't know a lot about reiki
oh my god look yeah look what bill did
in 1993
do you have an hour so i can explain to
you how it's like embarrassing to him
so yeah i was too esoteric yeah i don't
know
are you and charlie worried that uh baby
is gendered
[Laughter]
charlie do you have an opinion wait is
charlie still here doesn't seem like it
oh god there's the beginning there goes
my question about cultural appropriation
let's jump into questions so uh just so
everyone knows and we asked the people
who've been listening for
a whole bunch of questions and uh they
obliged uh first one
is a pretty basic one what's our
favorite moment so far my my favorite
moment
was when bill asked me if i needed
special insurance to dive with my
driving my foot out the window like a
cushion
[Laughter]
that's really good and then the guest
yelled at us
for that like it's illegal
it's not illegal in bensonhurst no yeah
what about the jurisdiction of
bensonhurst makes it acceptable
that's the way it is yeah that the
cuisine control pancho's at least they
used to
i don't know i lived in this region my
whole life and not heard this word
did you ever drive under the allen
bensonhurst back in like the 80s
but i've actually definitely done that
actually you've done that you've never
seen the cuisines
well maybe
forever go back to the 80s and drive
down uh
no no no no that's your problem
i was 12 at the end of the 80s let's
remember
i said 12 year old cuisines that's true
i did i have two and then the first time
i went to cbgb's i saw 12 year old
skinheads with new york skins written on
the side of their head
bill favorite moment so far skip me
what's your favorite dave i'll think of
it in a second i don't know if i have a
singular moment i don't know if there's
like one moment where i'm like this is
this has been my favorite so far i think
i'm always a little relieved when we get
through an episode and like
i'm always waiting for that moment where
the guest is like taking taking their
mic down and being like [ __ ] this
you bunch of amateurs this is a joke
so my favorite moment is when we say
goodbye and then they they're willing to
talk to us afterwards and send us photos
ironically i don't have that fear on
this podcast yet i fear that
uh the political what i do all the time
that they're just gonna be like what the
[ __ ]
maybe it's all downhill from here but
people haven't even heard uh how uh
rude already philly was when we taped a
test episode with him but i think that
that was my favorite thing of
how insulting he would be when we had
not even started yet
i think we insulted him more than he
insulted us this is true well not at the
beginning
it should be as it should be as it
should be exactly see i think i feel
like people like artie
there's that level of understanding as
to what we can say and what we can't say
i think the scariest moment for me was
someone like penelope
who none of us knew at all you know
penelope houston where
there was that moment where we were like
what's this gonna be like we don't know
what her personality is like at all
we don't know whether she's gonna think
we're a bunch of amateurs or whatnot so
like that's why bill cut my mic off
i think you cut yourself off after the
cookie question
oh yes yes the cookie questions were
good
[Laughter]
my favorite i actually really enjoyed
those my favorite moment of today is
when bill said we can't have a british
television playing in the background
no i have one hold on
there was a moment of the chicken john
podcast where we realized we all really
like chicken john
i always like chicken john i reject not
all not all of us
i resent that i resent that
[Laughter]
i thought when that was the best lineup
of iron prostate when chicken john was
in it
that's probably true i have bias to all
people involved with burning man so he
did take some winning over
that's understandable i do feel like i
understand chicken john and george
tabb's relationship a lot
better now because now i see them i see
john
poking like the the wound of iron
prostate to him on the internet all the
time
and she's like it's happened like five
times since that episode aired
where like he'll post something about
iron prostate and he'll like jab at
george or whatever and it's everything
you thought it would be
and and that's it's just another
indication to me of how love him or hate
him
at least you know what you're getting
with chicken john and i loved going
through
even after the interview going through
all of the things that he referenced
like there's a you know that i hate
chicken john sucks or whatever it was
facebook group there's five people on it
and it's not active anymore
and four of them are george tamps
actually you know what four of them are
probably chicken john you know
right
nobody knows what the hell we're talking
about
unless you went to empty shows at the
continental in the 90s
that's right i actually was wondering
that too like that's another thing that
i was wondering if we were gonna get a
question from a guest that
from a fan or a listener i shouldn't say
a fan i don't know if anyone's fans of
the show but they're definitely
listening to it
there's got to be a lot of people
especially the people that bill works
with or people that i work with that
don't get half the references to some of
the bands and some of the
places in time and all the stuff that we
we reference but i think
i think that's a an endearing kind of
thing too i hope i hope at least and i'm
wondering if like if that's something
that at some point we're just gonna
we're just gonna get someone being like
i don't know what the [ __ ] they're
talking about who the [ __ ] is samick
feeders who the [ __ ] is you know
i wish people would say that instead
you're going to barnes noble and you
have to see his book staring you in the
face
i literally was just telling the story i
bought it at rough trade the other day
was it signed i just
you want to hear a really sad fact about
me i probably spent
70 let's say buying
used copies of dear jesus when i was a
kid at sea here
and not ebay i loved that z
that i really wanted to keep reading all
of them but i was not around for that
since i
like i said i was 12 at the end of the
80s so let's go back to the first
question
things embarrassing things
yes lots of very obscene photos in there
i mean
i think as far as making references to
things that are like
in jokes and things like that i mean
that's pretty consistent with everything
all of us have probably done
our whole life so you just gotta live
with that we put the links up to almost
everything
if you really want to know which
particular scene
char from our gang charlie is
referencing yes i can find most of them
on youtube
i will say as a point of compliment that
as somebody who studies podcasts the way
i do
what you do with uh the links bill is
more thorough than any podcast on the
planet and i think most people don't
even see them you i mean i
i've we've had a couple people on so on
social media that have said like oh my
god i finally found
i finally saw the links that you guys
post for each episode with like
basically the cliffs notes and like the
it's like
it's like a cliff's notes meets the the
bibliography of every episode so if we
do make a reference it's usually there
i couldn't believe bill found the link
to my press release to ben bernanke
without me giving it to him
that blew my mind i found it i don't
know i gotta read that charlie did you
pay to put that on the wire yes i did
that's that's not cheap no but worth it
that guy picked up a lot of places bad
respect for that charlie damn yeah all
right so uh
second question is actually a jesse
question uh oh oh oh
it says jesse mentioned not listening to
anything recorded before the first
ramones album
do you still love the first ramones
album and would you like it better if it
was recorded on pro tools
that would be awful uh the whole reason
i appreciate music
and this is really one of the main
through lines of music i enjoy
is that i like things that i don't want
to fix anything when i'm listening
and yes i still love back when we used
to go still go to bars if a ramone song
came on
i would still be excited especially if
i'd it's been a bar where i've been
having to hear some sweet home alabama
or some obscure classic rock [ __ ]
totally awful so there's a follow-up
question on this if you could
re-record one classic album to modern
standards what would it be
suck-and-clash records terrible selling
record so give them enough rope you
would you would redo
terrible recording has bad performances
of great songs
you know what i heard that the first
time they heard i thought the law was on
a jukebox when they were
recording that record huh i could see it
so it may have been a bad recording
studio but had a good jukebox
got to aim for that for our next
recording are we we're doing producer
questions now because i got a question
for jesse
okay did you ever when you used to have
hair
did you ever have a situation where a
bunch of people broke the vacuum tubes
and your hair popped up in here
you know i wasn't much of a shedder
until i had started shaving my head so i
don't think this was a problem
you know i i already started shaving it
when it was like falling out everywhere
well i could say that was wise to do
that before you became a producer then
[Laughter]
how many how many links are going to be
in this particular podcast
so next question and i think this is a
good opportunity someone wanted to know
who else is involved with the podcast
besides bill dave charlie and jesse now
i know jesse you've gotten more
there's been a couple episodes where
you've you know been on the intro and
you've talked on it you don't always
talk on the on the podcast but
um but you know i know you have some
people behind the scenes that are kind
of
helping you with the podcast as well
brian demaglio who works with me
who i think actually submitted a
question for this episode that was very
good
he did he does the first edit before i
do the second edit and do the thing but
since you know my time is very valuable
brian does the very very important work
of the first pass on this podcast
to make sure all of uh charlie's beeps
for the microwave are left
does he in you notes is he like this
one's a good one
that actually does happen yes
like charlie was really on for this one
or oh yeah yeah this is you're not gonna
have fun with this one they're usually
just
audio quality based okay who does he
have the most problems with
it's usually compliments that's good
yeah he follows it
and trust me why i say there there's a
podcast or two that we do in our
production house that uh do not get
compliments let's just say that
i i thankfully produce enough of them
that people wouldn't easily be able to
figure this out well how many podcasts
do you produce about to be 10
in january oh wow part of an empathy
that knocks outside of the top 10 then
doesn't it
[Laughter]
bill do you want to talk a little bit
about some of the people that have that
have helped us out with art and the
music and whatnot a whole a whole bunch
of people
uh paul from moto let us use hate my
[ __ ] job as the theme song
chuck loose did the art for our logo
amazing amazing work
yeah a lot of people just been helpful
like just getting us ideas and
connecting us with people so like luis
from pansy division
texted penelope for us um reverend hank
has been like throwing a lot of stuff
around norb did the intro
yeah norb did the intro so like
we have a lot of people could probably
officiate your wedding um involved with
this podcast
this actually i'll follow this up with
brian's question
for charlie charlie what's the first
thing you ever put in a microwave
the first thing i ever put in the
microwave was it love it first first
well that would be a microwave oven but
i'm not in the in the microwave oven
business i'm in the microwave radio
business
yes but he removes the beeps from your
microwave during the podcast
i think that's his text messages isn't
that your text message that's my text
messages or
or a truck backing up we thought it was
like there
i think that both the microwave and the
cell phone are from the same era where
there was very few
less beeps to choose from
[Laughter]
i find it odd i find it odd that these
people hear like their phone goes off
and it's like a
duck quacking or some freaking james
bond music or something like that
and then my phone goes beep people
what's that what's that what's that
it's a solid point well i think the only
guest that's that's referenced it has
been chris gethard who is like
someone just packing up
i always wait for someone to reference
it and it's just it's one of those
things that just goes
and no one says anything about it well
just just so you know the back end when
that's happening it's usually like
one of us letting us the rest of us know
something is going
on right oh yeah let's see they're like
later
question yes we are texting each other
constantly during the
during the podcast so there is def you
know there's there's a lot of
jesse feeding us questions not that
that's all that's all that jesse does
but i mean you know i take no
responsibility or
it's me writing words of encouragement
most of the time usually
usually yeah yeah that's true it's like
that was great like jesse you had the
question
you had the question for wouldn't it be
great if we had a technology where you
can actually like talk to somebody
but jesse i remember jesse really wanted
us to ask gentleman jim norton about
uh his role as a bouncer or as a
weatherman or something in that movie
well i didn't know if he was in it but
what it was was i had
literally i never want to watch a bad
movie in fact dave
i like one of the things i see on your
social medias i'm like i have no idea
how you watch this many bad movies
but i was in the mood to watch one and
so i watched this terrible movie about
like a zombie band
thing and uh and i was like wait he's
describing a character in that movie i
wonder if he was in that movie because
this
movie was all as very park people so i
was like you should ask him if he was in
this movie that
it turned out he was what's funny about
jim is
the week after we recorded that i
watched like four documentaries on
amazon
and netflix that had him in it oh yeah
there was one on the city gardens one i
watched there was one
on it's like him and then ian makai in
every documentary or like the people
that they're like let's call those guys
they'll talk about this dave grohl and
henry rollins too
well henry rollins or ian makai they
very rarely are in the same documentary
unless it's salad days
yes why is there a beef between those
two no they love each other no yeah
they're still best friends i think
it's the triumvirate between but i think
is ian close with
danzig or is only henry rollins close
with danzig no i think i remember this
right that
ian still talks to danzig
i might be wrong though this is the type
of thing i don't remember well
does he talk to bobby steele i'm only a
good fact checker in the moment
no proper memory of anything give us
another question that's not about
michael waves
okay someone wanted to know this is
actually uh michael
who uh used to be in furious george i
know he's he's listening to a lot of
episodes but he wants to know what's
next for season two
this season we have seasons we don't
have seriousness
no seasons like we're not ending this at
any point if you want to consider this
the end of
the first batch of episodes this is the
first one we're doing without a guest
then i guess we've done two months worth
of episodes right we started in october
so if this season's over does that mean
we're going to get paid soon
yeah the check's in the mail charlie
there's nothing i'd change about this
first group i mean i think it was really
great i mean there's definitely people i
want
we changed charlie's mic that's a season
two new mic
you know every every tv show like you
see the pilot episode and then like when
they
you can see the second episode where
they got picked up and they actually
have money and like the lighting's
better and like you can hear what
they're saying
somebody got botox exactly yeah they
replaced one of the one of the daughters
you know it's like one of those things i
think that's what we're going to do
i could have just bought a mic on
clinton street
i think we've got a little bit of every
type of person we want to get on
as far as you know like different
industries different levels of fame
and kind of really just different
stories right
like everyone doesn't end up in the same
place and everyone doesn't feel
feel the same way about what they do for
work so
i want to do more of the same i want to
mix it up like what's amazing is nobody
ended up in jail
maybe we'll get there i mean we have
talked about that i think that this is
uh now the thing that we need to use as
a qualification for all the next tapings
we need to collect someone that went to
jail yes yes yes you know what i think
is great about the show is
i've had people ask me as you get more
popular and more people listen to it are
you looking forward to like having
bigger guests and i think that's not
really the point
of the show if we you know i think we
always want to talk to people that
are kind of across the spectrum like
bill said you know it's not just going
to be
names that you recognize and i think
what a lot of people
will have to i guess decide whether they
want to listen or not is i hope every
episode even if you don't have any idea
who the person is that it's interesting
to you
listen if you recognize some of these
names you've been hanging with the wrong
people
[Laughter]
very very true very true because i think
even even some of the people who like
were punks and made it really big in
business or something like that
like they're probably same thing with
charlie said like it's the wrong people
to listen to
you have to have a stage name that's the
key that's right i do want to have some
of those people but i mean
if our show only became big name people
i think it would be boring
we'd run we'd run out of them quickly
you want to get some of those people on
the show
yeah sure well maybe maybe when this
cuomo decides to open up the bars again
we can head down to mcsorley's and find
a few yuppies
well let's segue into another question
we had here what guest wouldn't
you want on the show well bill had an
interesting thing about being respectful
to people
that i think he should talk about yeah
that's true so there's some people who i
think would be interesting
but the problem is is like they're
really hard to have on because
everyone would think that they're being
on to be made fun of and that's not what
we want to do
so uh you know there's some people i
don't know i don't i reject that premise
i mean i mean what i guess we want to
make fun of no no that's what i'm
talking about so like so only
if they're like from congress or
something we make fun of that's true
i mean that that's fine i'm just saying
there's some folks that like
would probably have an interesting story
but it would be really hard to get
around
that even the guests thinking that they
weren't being set up right like and i
don't want to
have the audience think that oh these
guys are going to destroy this guy
or these guys are going to make this guy
seem you know feel bad about himself or
anything like that
so there's been a few people pitched and
i'm like no
we're not gonna we're not gonna go there
it's like too hard to do
but i think we've shown we could be
compassionate to some of our guests yes
i i always want to be that's the thing i
i don't want to
if someone wants to look bad it should
be that's what they want
i truly i still feel bad about chicken
john from that night in uh cbgb's
that i think that came across though i
really do think you know you you seemed
really genuine with that and i think you
know
that was that was a good moment on the
show i mean i think we've had it i was
happy to hear from him about it like you
know
you know it feels like it closes
something that you know okay it worked
out okay in the long run
yeah i think for sure that's like the i
think if if someone doesn't have
something to
teach whether they know it or not i
wouldn't want a guest on that just wants
to sell themselves i think that's boring
and i think when someone's just like you
know and and and
you know they just want to talk about uh
you know what they've accomplished
without actually any introspection to it
i think that's
that's not that doesn't make for a good
show i mean we've already had some
they're incredibly serious and some that
are really silly and some that are both
but
if someone's just out there talking to
us like they're on the morning radio
show and they're trying to promote their
gig that night then
that's not really what what happens if
they want to pay us
it's still not going to be a good show
though that's the thing even if that
fantasy happened
we're not geniuses enough to make that a
good show right we can't we can't
squeeze that rock i think we could i
think we'd [ __ ] it up somehow i mean i
think we
probably just i don't want to do it that
way but that's that was the freaking
business model that's when we just give
it to charlie and we're like be as
much of a dick as you want to be
well all i'm saying is this has all been
a long way of saying that you guys are
not letting us have rick to life on
jesus
i really want it to happen i'm all for
it because i think it's a great story i
mean i think that would be wonderful
you know i think you know one of the
biggest compliments that we've gotten
that i
you know in my opinion is when we
finished the penelope
houston interview and she said you know
this is the first interview
i've i think i've ever done where
someone didn't ask me what it was like
to open for the sex pistols at
winterland
you know or it helps when you don't know
about them
definitely definitely helps we didn't do
our homework
i have a great example of this bug
outside he played in another state and
we stayed at someone's house
and we were in the car with the person
we were staying with for like an
hour driving doing errands with him or
whatever and at some point
charlie was like hey you know it's
really nice that you're dropping all
these names but we don't know who any of
them are
that's really good you said it in the
nicest way like
i have to say but you know we don't want
someone who's just like they're
you know promoting themselves it's it's
really it's really boring there's also
300 podcasts that do that right now
yeah for sure yeah i i feel like that's
it's a blessing and occurs i think
people are more
likely to listen to a new podcast now
because they're more used to
listening to podcasts in general but i
also think there's a lot of competition
and i do see there's there's some guests
that we have you know you see they've
done three podcasts that month and we're
just one of them
but i think the best ones that we've
done are the ones that that might not be
someone that
people are gonna be like holy [ __ ] i
gotta rush out and listen to that but
they've been
you know incredibly insightful i also
thought it was really awesome for
instance
we had emily flake on and then like the
next week i was like driving around
listening to
uh it was this american life they did a
story with her that she had had told on
the
on the broadcast and i was like okay
we're pretty good ear for what's good
what what makes good stories i mean she
and and and that's you know that was
something cool to listen to as well is
like
seeing where our guests show up but i
feel i feel like the best shows are the
ones that like i like those people
afterwards i
if not want to be friends with them at
least want to follow their career and
root for them you know that's
i think that's like a a common thing for
the for the episodes we've done so far
is like i
i become fans of the people when i feel
like they're being honest with
us and we actually get to know who they
are i mean that's that's my
qualification to listen to music
unfortunately like i i have a hard time
listening to bands that i don't like the
people in
not a big agnostic front fan probably
going
certain members of a gnostic friend are
fine
but you know like that's that's that's a
little bit too
far i think of a bar to set for
something that's supposed to be
entertainment but
you know that's i'm trying to get away
from that with this podcast but it also
i want to embrace it at the same time
like like i want to have these people
who are interesting even if i don't like
them
i want to hear have them tell their
story and um
you know i want to make something that
you want to listen to well i mean i feel
like jesse has the most experience with
that
as far as like producing bands that you
don't personally like i mean like
i'm sure you're friends with a lot of
bands with people in bands that you're
probably
would never want to listen to their
actual album yeah but i
listen to it from a perspective of
trying to get it to at least
feel an emotion of excitement and you
know one there's a funny thing with this
is that like for example
i don't ever produce like modern heavy
metal anymore because i don't even
understand the emotion when i hear it
i'm like what the [ __ ] is
even happening here because i have no
idea i was never that huge into that
stuff and
i'm a happy 43 almost year old
not angry at the world the way metal is
so i can't do it but i can understand a
lot of other
emotions like when i do punk now i still
understand the emotion very well by the
way i would have steve martin on the
show from agnostic front oh that'd be
really fun actually
all right i think i think he does he
probably has a very interesting business
story
despite you know a lot of people not
liking him for whatever reason it's just
which is fine he probably doesn't like
me
either but i'd love to have him on we
shouldn't do that yeah my line is like
if you're not a nazi
like if you're not someone that's so
abhorrent that like i know we're not
gonna find common ground like i would
love to have someone on that i'll be
honest about this like i mean
i'm not a fan of brandon's band but i
thought speaking to him was great and
you know and i walked away with an
appreciation for for all of that and
you know there's definitely something
that i think going back to that other
question about what's in store for
season two like
i'd like to branch out beyond even just
punk rock i mean i think we
you know we're definitely gonna
[Laughter]
we always talked about this charlie it's
like you know it's like if we're going
to have someone on that
that you know kind of in in embodies
that mindset whether or not
it's considered punk or not i think
would be great
and i think you know we i don't want to
limit us on that i could be wrong we
could be
i i think i think it'll happen naturally
i don't think we have to force it
no no no not trying to force it yeah i'm
definitely but i mean to what jesse said
there's when you get into when you get
into punk rock and like you get really
excited about it you start going to
shows like i don't know about you guys
but like i wanted to be friends with all
the bands that i liked you know i wanted
to like you know i wanted to
to get in with them and like feel like i
was part of something and i feel like
we're not necessarily doing the same
thing with this podcast but i do think
you know i want to find
something that i like about these people
otherwise it makes it really hard to
promote it
i wanted to make fun of all the bands
that i learned
and if you know if you got hit with
snausages you were really up that's
right
to tie what dave said i mean that's
technically how we all know each other
because
dave and i know each other because we
were both drawn to georgetown's writing
which
as embarrassing as that is to say in
2020
is a real thing and then we met bill and
charlie through that
that's right there you go i never even
read george tabb's writing
lucky you aside from i am gilligan
[Laughter]
you only read that because it was on the
signs that he held up before
there's lots of different ways to get
into this stuff there's lots of
different
people there's lots of different
personalities we want to try to go
through them all
but i don't want to make anyone feel
like we're making a special
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now let's get back to the show so here's
a good question
what does prep for an average show look
like oh yeah that's a good question
usually this is how it works i talk to a
co-worker or someone who knows about
the guests work sometimes several people
sometimes people they don't know who are
in the same industry
um just to get questions that don't
waste a lot of time i don't want to ask
you know someone about something they
absolutely don't do
or can't speak to it's just it's not
it's just going to throw the
whole groove off and and sometimes you
get you know some stories
from those people that the guests might
not be
top of mind on which is useful that's
also kind of the filter too
right bill like most most of our
potential guests drop off when you ask
them to speak to other people that's
true that's true
or they they make us wait like four
months
but yeah hence why we have a question
and answer
this is very true there are at least
seven or eight people that i'm just
trying to schedule a meeting with their
coworker
etc with but i feel like it's important
and then dave you do a bunch of stuff
i do some background research i try and
get some questions together bill and i
made the mistake one time of sharing our
notes
and then like it was a it was a weird
episode it wasn't a bad episode i won't
name the episode but
i feel like since then we've definitely
just kind of kept our own
uh questions so we both you know i think
one of the things that we really wanted
to make sure too was that there wasn't
a whole lot of dead air or questions of
where we were trying to take the
interview and i think bill and i
have definitely i feel like had a really
good unspoken
balance there where and i know a lot of
it has to do with jesse's editing as
well in brian's editing
but uh we don't step over each other a
lot we kind of stay in the same
direction
of what we're trying to figure out from
the guest so i feel like that's
a lot of the research i try and figure
out first and then you know a lot of my
prep is too
is for posting on social media so
whether it's on the twitter
or facebook page or instagram like i
need to make sure that i have enough
images of that person
i'm really trying hard not to like steal
any credited photos
you know even though we're not making
money off of this or anything like i'm
very mindful of like
using photos that are approved for usage
and i'm not stealing something from like
a photographer on brooklyn vegan or
something like that and then you know we
have someone
getting pissed off at us so i try and
find photos that we're able to use
and then i mean i listened to each
episode what was that
brooklyn vegan it's a blog it's a it's a
website it's pretty popular and
that's where that's where we find all
our guest photos
i think every one of our guests had a
photo on brooklyn charlie's right to
question
the proposition of the statement
well that's a good that's a good segue
though i feel like dave and i get so
caught up in here
charlie's there to ask obvious questions
that we're not thinking of
[Music]
and i feel like that's really important
here because you know we
we're so embroiled in and like all this
background
you know charlie sometimes just has to
ask like hey
what what what is it that you do i don't
understand yeah
i feel like charlie you bring what the
listeners bill and i will dork out on
stuff and then you're the one that's
like
the listeners pov that's like wait what
the [ __ ] are you talking about like
bring this back to somewhere
or just making fun of us if we're both
too earnest or serious about [ __ ] or
talking about food yeah or we're talking
about like drake's cakes or whatever we
should get
we should get i've never done any prep
for any episode except for this episode
where bill made me go to staples and we
had to freaking try to open these
freaking glass doors that wouldn't open
i do think it's been quite jarring a
couple times where you've like come in
late in the
like like you know late in the episode
so like me and bill take it into a
really serious direction and then all of
a sudden you're in and you're like all
right let me ask a bunch of questions
and they're like wait who the [ __ ] is
this guy
i only came in late because i didn't
want to hear that pre-show banking yes
i understand it's it's still funny
unfortunately that's all this one that's
that's all this show is my friend
just to finish real quick and then
social media like i try and pull quotes
from the episode that people can see and
be like oh that's interesting i want to
listen to that or whatever
and uh every once in a while i go a
little crazy with that and
then just post stupid [ __ ] on twitter
which uh seems to get a decent response
sometimes
usually it's [ __ ] that i don't put on my
own twitter account one thing i never do
is i never listen to other podcasts do
you tell me that dave
no did you ever put a public service
announcement on your regular twitter
account
[Laughter]
my regular twitter account is where i go
after all the brands that you mentioned
charlie and i'm like drake's cake ceo
like like get us some uh
dollars product placement exactly that's
what we need i'm working on that
yeah that's what we need yeah i agree
you know that eminem's turned down that
um e.t
probably the basement they did really
really dumb
it was eminem's in the in the original
script of the book or whatever oh and
then it became reese's pieces do you say
reese's or reese's
charlie's reese's you seem like a guy
that would say reese's what's brilliant
say that this is new york now you sound
like that freaking
uh gentleman gym
[Laughter]
it's the same as the monkeys what's the
biggest challenge we have with each
episode
get them like equipment to work that's
probably accurate
here's my question it's like you know if
the mummies can get away with with
recording albums with shitty equipment
how come we can't do a podcast with
shitty equipment
analog shitty equipment is very
different than digital shitty equipment
yeah especially when when there's no
software that was everything was better
i wonder if i wonder if some some
hipsters will record a podcast on a 78
like like a wax cylinder and like they
have to
literally right before we started taping
this i got an ad
that a studio by me is doing live to
vinyl
records for you to sell that where each
take it will be a vinyl for your fans to
buy
and uh i was like oh did it call them a
vinyl
oh that always drives me crazy that
would be tricky but but i thought that
studio was close enough to me that i
could burn it down so if we
end up doing an episode in jail we now
know why
i'm doing a lot of crime confess is that
in williamsburg charlie here's a fun
fact
the east williamsburg mass pet board
would be hard to decipher which part
side it's on for me i don't want to hear
about
bordering mass smith we have freaking uh
we have a river
new town creek that goes between is that
where that strip club is
yes
we have ramparts on our side and we got
orders to shoot hipsters on site
isn't that so that that um that cemetery
is that the cemetery that trump's family
is buried at
is it i think it is there's a lot of
people buried in that cemetery
i think that that one that's on the
right when you're going down like you go
over the little bridge and you pass the
strip club on the left and you go down
yeah not the rape cemetery of bushwick
the other one no the other one that's
further down yeah i like that we do
i like that we're just acknowledging
that that's called the rape cemetery
well dave how far do you live from that
cemetery where they just like reused all
the graves for like 150 years
oh that's like within walking distance
i've walked i've walked my dog there i
mean it's
it's weird because there's two
cemeteries right next to each other one
is
the pet cemetery no unfortunately it
isn't
you said you buried your dog there i
walk my dog
one day i'll bury her there but no it's
only going to last a year
don't do that it's a dog what does that
last longer
cave hill is the famous cemetery and
that's where like colonel sanders is
buried and oh get out of here
the colonel sanders grave is awesome
it's a bust of him and it's like a full
charlie you would love this thing and
yeah it's it's done really well and then
uh
muhammad ali is buried there and then
the the two sisters that wrote happy
birthday
are buried there that was the colonel's
secret recipe in his grave
that's the rumor that it was buried with
him mmm charlie maybe that's the
promotional stunt we need to do we need
something
to get to get to get the recipe yeah
killed by dusk podcast guys dug up
colonel sanders grave to release the
recipe to the world
i'm sure that'll go over big in kentucky
i actually found out that um the most
popular kfc in the world is in jamaica
it's in montego bay jamaica
and apparently jamaicans are obsessed
with kfc and it's like where they go for
christmas dinner that's what they do in
japan too they go to christmas dinner at
kfc this is like how uh
the most busy mcdonald's is in iraq
really you should be the one on 95
like a connecticut mcsnack you don't you
don't mix snack
sfa loves that one after they go bowling
with you
all right wait tell us about television
the foreign one that charlie could
explain that i'm not telling that story
one of the things that we all bond over
is we all read uh
way too much of things that you know
books that uh
uh contained i've never read a book in
my life oh well okay
the point being there's a business
whenever you read books on ai which i've
read a lot
uh they always tell you about the
busiest mcdonald's is in iraq and it's
run by one person that's like
everybody's favorite ai story who's that
that guy baghdad bob brunson
i love baghdad bob i
contributing guests what do you call
them listen i'd love to get baghdad
bob's analysis on what's going on with
this uh
slow-moving coup right now i suggest he
open up baghdad
bob big boy bob's big boy
where was the big boy i haven't seen one
in a while yeah yeah
there's a bunch down here in louisville
oh really yeah yeah there's a bob's or
is it that like
no they can call it whatever they want
yeah so it's franchise so you can
that's why i always thought in new york
it was bob's big boy i thought that was
the name of it but i guess it was just
like it was just bob that owned all the
big boys so i mean i can get my own
boswell's big boy you could get you
could you could get mc charlie bo as
well as big boy
oh that's good career change that could
do well
if there's any venture capitalists out
there
contact us well it's also a hor it's
also a hoarder's uh
theme right that's that's the other
restaurant that's the collier brothers
cafe
yes caliber we're taking franchise
opportunities now
[Laughter]
you know we were talking about that we
looked for this the other day that i i
don't get why there's not a better map
that shows just where fast food
locations exist across the country since
it's
such a weird phenomenon of where certain
ones have pockets and where they exist
i think there's a lot louisville i never
saw so many fast food places in my life
back in like 1978 when i drove down this
one
one strip in louisville's one after
another well we have we have one of the
only existing ollie's trolleys too have
you ever heard about all these trucks
yes i've heard of i've heard it yeah so
it's the guy who
um who did um kfc and he did i believe
taco bell afterwards
he tried to make this franchise out of
it's a burger place and it's a trolley
they they re
repurposed old trolleys although i think
the one that we have now
is not a real operating trolley just
looks like one and there's no seating
you just walk in
and the burgers are it's kind of like a
white castle level but the but what
people love are the fries the fries have
their own special seasoning
that they don't give away the recipe for
whatever but there's only two left one
in louisville and one in florida but it
was supposed to be this huge franchise
and it i think at its height had a
couple dozen locations
and it was poised to go nationwide and
it didn't so people travel for this
people travel to go to ali's trolley all
the time i mean there's always a line
there
well they ruined the white castle fries
when they changed yeah when they used to
be the soggy fries and used to get
get a wooden fork with it so charlie
what's the difference between crystals
and
and white castle are they are they
connected or are they just like
crystal's just ripping off white castle
to rip off crystals
this is really terrible my cats have
been around for over 80 years but i
thought i always thought crystals was
like the versi like
what they called white castle on the
south because you get down south and oh
there's no more white castles it's just
not that's just there's no no white
castle's only in certain mostly in
cities you know in like you know new
york newark
cincinnati louisville indianapolis
chicago like it's in a few spots
originally you know it was
used to list it on the on the box when
you got a burger it'd tell you what
cities they were in they weren't like
all over
so they weren't down south i always
wondered you know what always confused
me was dairy queen
like some of them have braziers attached
to them some of them
and then some of them we ain't got no
dairy queen razors the porn site
attached to them
that's brad what the [ __ ] are you
talking about
no like like some some dairy queens have
burgers and then some
have like it's almost like a kfc taco
bell but like it's a separate that's
where
what's his name warren buffett eats
there for lunch every day really omaha
and that dairy queen i don't know i
guess it's an omaha
i don't think he would drive out he
doesn't need he doesn't get the word
buffet
i did want to open a place called
jimmy's buffet and it was gonna just be
a margaritaville themed uh
oh i like this i like this parrothead's
welcome
but uh bob hope used to pull through the
in-n-out burger every day
was it around that long yeah at what
point when you're headed south because
we i mean that was the best part about
touring too is you get to go to all the
different fast food places or whatever
when do you start seeing shonies like
virginia i've never even noticed this
and then waffle house my father was in
his show these when it got held up
really
cool yeah like gunpoint did they did
they rob all the customers too no they
didn't
okay but they didn't know what was going
on they had everybody get down on the
floor
i was i was in the taco bell on northern
boulevard when the manager got stabbed
get out of here and then like everyone
said yeah everyone ran out
and then it was just me and um jacuzzi
joe
rich trash no it was charlie
with krs1 yeah well we're the only ones
we're just like we don't want to
mess up you know we got to the front of
the line because everyone ran out and i
was like
you know i i just paid a toll to go to
this taco bell and krs 1 was like this
is the only place i can get a vegetarian
you were there with him or just happened
to be there he happened to be there i
was not with carol
nobody's believing this story what year
is this i don't know
92 or something i was on my way i was on
my way to practice and bug out society
and i used to go
and stop at northern boulevard taco bell
so you didn't just pay the toll to go
there
i didn't just pay the total but i had
paid the toll just to go there in
previous visits yes yes but this time
you were heading to rocky's studio after
that's right bill i swear when i lived
near you in the bronx that i met dion
at the local 7-eleven but no one
believed me i don't believe you no
you don't think you don't think that
that dion was at our
at the local 7-eleven the bronx in
pelham bay no but i saw um
i saw that guitar player from anthrax
there once scotty in
or the other one uh not now the other
one dan oh yeah dan spitz
dance fitz he's a watchmaker now oh you
should have him on the podcast yes
uh he's on the list yeah he makes he
wants custom watches like
clockwork style what is it called got
the title
that's a missed opportunity if it
doesn't at the least using it for a
commercial gene
what happened to anthrax
don't they do like a tour with like
belladonna and bush and they both sing
i think that that it did happen at least
once yes i kind of remember that because
i was a very big fan
of the uh bush i'm the man i loved i'm
the man too because i loved all rap rock
when i was young
but but you like that that's the only
anthrax record i bought and i only
bought that because uh
scotian brought our record that's right
do you love the judgment night
soundtrack
i will tell you i listened to the
judgments at night soundtrack within the
last two months
purely to try to understand what the
[ __ ] was going on in music i was writing
a video and i was like do i
call back to this and say it and then my
hypothesis was off
what was your hypothesis so you know rap
and rock are really converging right now
and so for the audience they probably
don't know that i do a youtuber or i
explain can we just jump through the
freaking
guardian of forever back to 1985 or
something
i i do a youtube channel where i explain
music
and music promotion and creativity and
music and i was
there's a lot of rap rock right now as
we've discussed dave uh
you know i'm a very big fan of the
machine gun kelly punk record
but there's no rap in that it's just a
it just sounds like that's that's not
correct there's some
rapping maybe i didn't get far enough
into it i mean i i listened to maybe
like the first five tracks and i was
like this sounds like something i would
have made fun of my sister for listening
to
in like 1998. well the joke between my
producer friends and i is that if
anybody else showed up with lyrics this
bad you would have literally thrown him
out of the studio and quit the record
but for some reason
you know very big record this year
what's your favorite of the year that's
my favorite
no it's the punk record i've listened to
the most because it was a bad year for
punk
my favorite rep rock is rock hard what's
rock hard
i'm not remembering this that figures
i love when i get to leave insults to
myself on this podcast
what was rock hard wait what's rock hard
and also charlie did you see
wait what movie was it that's the
soundtrack of because charlie charlie
watches like every movie in the theater
oh did you see judgement there's no
movies in the theaters now i know what
i'm saying but when theaters were open
you you generally would watch
every movie is that still true not as
much as used to be okay that was true
did you see judgement night okay i saw i
saw rapping mm-hmm
i also saw rapping yeah did you see
crush groove
so question being the convergence of rap
and rock i mean it's not done like
remember when like didn't jay-z did that
horrible album with lincoln park
you know like is it so it's smarter now
i would argue this
that crossing genres is one of the
hardest things you could do in music
that to make it work like i often talk
about the sum 41 video for fat lip that
the genius they did
with that video whether you think they
did rap and rock well
is what they did is punk forbid forbid
you crossing the two at the time
that was the ultimate cringe that you
could do but what they did for that
videos they inceptioned it
is they showed a bunch of punk kids
enjoying that
and the whole video is just punk kids
enjoying them rapping and that
inceptioned it into being
but isn't that where every new style of
music comes from i mean is the
is the strange combination of one or
more styles but i what i would argue is
uh that people often get better than
there's an apex and then there's a point
where it just dies
like i mean we could very easily argue
right and then the ramones come out yeah
yeah well the ramones are a great great
example
of what i actually would call is if we
want to get really nerdy a divergent
rebellion so the thing i'm convinced
that's always happening in music
that people don't discuss is that if you
put your elbows together
and your hands as far apart as genres
start there and they start getting more
disparate from one another
and everything is always rebellion so
like for example
what happens with the ramones is we have
the most jammy era of music
and they rebel against that by doing the
most controlled chaos possible
so where's the most analog band now
since everything is so digital like is
there are there is there like a
primitive
yeah of course i mean like look we have
20 year olds who jerked off
over john prine records in recent years
that's true
yeah the whole icon yeah the americana
thing is rebellion
against digital and the control in music
like all of uh what's his name um
that's what i was about to say is dave
cobb who produces sergio simpson
everything dave cobb does
is a a rebellion against this the band
ghost being one of the biggest heavy
metal bands is an
absolute rebellion against that most
heavy metal is made
by a computer at this point so so i want
to ask charlie because i've always
wondered
this about bug out society like you guys
incorporated a lot
of rap and and hip hop like stuff is
that just because of where you guys
lived and like the influence of all that
stuff or was that like a conscious
decision
no that was just what was going on yeah
it wasn't that it wasn't that it wasn't
that weird at the time
that wasn't that wasn't like that was
just you know walking down the street
you do that and that was it
but that interview that was like oh i
saw these guys who were like kind of
like the doing like what the beastie
boys were doing and it's like it does it
seem
does it seem odder now than it did at
the time or like you know like do you
guys
do you see that as being like well what
team teams not to me is that they
we didn't get big like they did yeah i
would i would definitely say yo baby
subs better than
some of the stuff on like some old
[ __ ] like they're early bc 4.7
inches
that's for sure
all right on to questions who is our
dream guest
hmm that's a really good question i mean
if we inserted a vet diagram form
i want somebody who really really
has a lot to say about how punk affected
a job that's very not punk now i think
i really how is that a venn diagram
that's a solid criticism of what i just
said
it's more of an xy axis i'm looking for
the empty set
yeah yeah yeah yeah that i probably
appreciate that criticism well isn't
that i mean isn't that isn't
i mean i thought one of the most punk
rock things that we've heard of
combining work
and music was was sarah saying that she
named
named a spider after feed time it's like
having
so much love for music that she like
named a spider
that she discovered out after a band she
loved well no no i think the band
actually helped her discover the spider
oh i thought she said it was like a joke
and they like were teasing her about it
so then she did it that's she was in the
she was in there
in there like near their location too
right yeah she was in us because she was
i think working in australia but she
said like they were teasing her about
something and then she
i think it was probably the same trip or
something like that i don't know maybe
we should ask her
for more detail on that but i think i
don't want to i don't want to assume but
i mean that's quite taken i'm getting
into the weeds for no reason no i think
that's i think it's
it's a cool thing i mean so to that
point to jesse's point i feel the same
way i mean i feel like
i mean i can name names like i would
love to have like milo
i mean milo from the descendants what i
think would be a really fun one to do
just from someone that has such an
established career outside punk and then
part of it uh
and the fact that i mean their first
album is pretty much
the album of like oh we're gonna record
this before he goes to get a real job so
if there's anyone that's more
intrinsically linked between their work
and their music i can't think of one oh
i know one yeah jack from twitter yeah
is he punk rock
dude he there's a picture i'm gonna send
you this when we're done there's a
picture of me at cbg
sorry at abc no rio and he's in the
picture wow we didn't let people with
beards that long ago
that's because he he he looked like a
krusty back then he looks disgusting in
the picture
he looks this he just thinks actually
charlie you had to get good good
correction
he looks much worse now he wouldn't have
looked out of place at c-squad when he
did that congressional hearing i mean he
looked pretty bad
yeah that's actually accurate if he had
said his favorite neurosis record
during the testimony it would i wouldn't
have broken broken a stair
[Laughter]
charlie who's your dream guest do you
have one no
phil i like jim williamson from the
stooges yes
he's on like one of the most iconic punk
records of all time
he quit and then he ended up like being
part of like creating
blu-ray discs yeah amd it works at
google too
i think so yeah but he was like a big
executive he was on all these projects
that
directly affected media yeah so it's not
not only just like you know he had this
background he probably most people
didn't know it
but he's kind of famous just for being
like powerful and influencing like the
technology
we really gotta try for that that'd be
amazing my other my backup is rick to
life
i'm serious i really think that would be
i think i think that'll be a great
interview
we'll see i think rick to like
life has a great interview in them i
just don't think we're able to get it
out of him yes
the one thing though is that since i
used to be his co-worker
we really had that dimension what about
your job
has prepared you for doing the podcast i
can't answer this obviously
i can answer i mean the past eight or
nine years i've been doing a lot of
what's called business analysis
which is basically interviewing people
about their jobs
and trying to find ways to make them
easier or to streamline them
so i've been doing that a lot i also i
worked for teach for america for
years and part of working there is like
actually interviewing candidates
so like i've done job basically job
interviews with hundreds of people
as well i feel comfortable about coming
up with questions um even
preparing for them and coming up on the
fly it's just technical
experience not not necessarily artistic
i'm not going to beat that answer so
very good answer it's never that much
fun as this
so this is the fun version of that yeah
do you think it's the people that we
talk to or the way that we're able to
speak to them
i think it's the same approach basically
you want to you want people to feel
comfortable
um not and not threatened by anything
you're going to ask
so like you could easily take someone
coming in to like
do business analysis as like the bob's
from
office space right like we're trying to
we're trying to downsize like who do we
not need here
um and i think i think we all make
people feel comfortable in the same way
where it's like hey
we're here to help you we're not here to
like hurt you but to that point no one's
used
their appearance on our podcast i don't
think i maybe i missed it but i don't
think anyone's promoted their podcast
appearance on linkedin yet
is that a goal that's right this is a
good point you said there's going to be
a linkedin play that's the goal
i'd like that i'd like people on
linkedin to like listen to this because
there are a lot of good
work stories right and there's a lot to
learn from others
in a different completely coming from a
completely different place than like
a normal business article that like dave
would write for forbes
hey listen i try and make those fun uh i
do think i
got i got a picture with steve forbes
did you was it with
the coin he meant it of himself
i liked what brooks said when we
interviewed him where he was like you
know a lot of times i do interviews and
people are like so you're in a punk band
and he's like and they want to talk
about
punk rock and like a general term of
like they don't really know what they're
talking about whereas he was like with
you guys like i
i know like you could talk to me about
like what your favorite
track is on flex your head you know like
i think that that's like even if we
don't talk about punk rock i think it's
uh
it's one of those things that that
allows us to kind of get to the bottom
of things
more and i think the only thing that i
always wonder is you know we don't get
the post-mortem kind of
feedback a lot of times from guests so i
wonder if they're like happy with it or
like if they're like
you know i gave up too much because i
mean what makes for a good podcast
doesn't always make for something that
people want to share
you know so i wonder if anyone's walked
away and been like i said too much or
like the fact that we talk about like
imposter syndrome or fear fear of
failure and like all of that
faking it guarantee we're gonna talk
about imposters but
i think it's come up with every person
so far i think it's like a prerequisite
to get on this podcast it's like
not think you're that important i think
that that's something further down the
line that we really have to do
too is like we have to like get a shrink
on here to like discuss
all these [ __ ] things that there's
just so many you know like
i know there's a different documentary
called the punk syndrome that's about
something else
but it really is a thing that the amount
of shared traits
is incredible and we talk about this a
lot yeah that fearlessness mixed with
the fear of
everything you know it's really that's a
great way to put it yeah
that i think that i think that you know
people have had a hard time
explaining punk rock as you know because
it's so
different in opinions and politics and
things like that but i think that's what
it's about it's like
you need to like jump out there scream
your head off because you're terrified
yeah
and that's you know it's it's funny
because i think
having that it's it's almost like you
know punk rock prepares you for the real
world because it is kind of like a
microcosm of that like you know you're
you're performing for 20 people as
opposed to everyone in your business or
whatever so it's like
it almost allows you to to get your your
footing but
then at the same time you know you're
told by so many people that you know
because you were playing in bands and
not participating in
every club in high school or whatever
you know like it's like it's that
outside looking in but also you know how
much
from a social skills standpoint does
punk rock give people because it seems
like a lot from what we've learned from
people
is you know a lot of what they have
learned from the punk scene
they use every day with people that have
no no idea what the punk scene is but
they still use it to relate to people
they still use it to
have conversations with people or even
my even like figure out a career like i
feel like with chris gether like you
know him talking about
how much he was influenced by all the
crazy people that lived in his
in his town you know and how he pretty
much has used that
to to platform an entire career is
incredible
okay if you formed a startup staffed by
all of your guests to date what roles
would you want them to have and why
i wouldn't hire any of them
come on no i'm serious i formed the band
and i formed the company and everybody i
phoned the band or a company came from
the same school
so there's strict requirements you know
we could also form a bank
hold on we gotta dig deeper on this
what wait hold on no no wait i
definitely did not go to that school
charlie
you didn't form the band did you
i didn't say every employee we hired or
anything like that okay
hold on so maybe let's let's rephrase
the question so charlie could answer it
if we already had a startup and we were
gonna staff all our guests
with different roles what would you have
them do and why how about that
we've had some very competent people on
the spot
i mean my head of communications would
be chicken john for sure great call
i agree i mean obviously graphic design
is emily mm-hmm
i wouldn't hire that guy booked for the
kitchen
why he lives at that kitchen all day
yeah he does he's here
he makes fake hamburgers he can make he
can make not he's not a vegetarian
anymore
yeah anymore no yeah he could make it
will he make me a steak
yes oh yeah okay okay then then bring
him in
i'm sure he's gonna make a good steak
there's a big jump down but he's
probably not gonna make a good steak but
there's a
there's a really good there's a really
big jump between brooks and whoever our
second place
cook would be i do think um
i do i mean brandon would have to be our
cfo
this is good though when you're choosing
employees you definitely need someone to
to play that other
role and and say is this really what we
should be doing right you shouldn't just
take the obvious
this is true reverend hank is a
definitely hr yeah
absolutely okay yeah he's not going to
get us in trouble with anything
i think i take justin as our as our cmo
yes yes
yes jim north very competent i feel like
he's uh a ceo
yeah i agree yeah or like the main
client liaison i feel like he's the guy
that like you know well actually
really good for that too because that's
kind of what he's doing or the head of
security yes
uh i think sarah could be r d yes yes
yes i was going to say
say that or environmental impact that's
even better environmentally
that's the job she said that she would
have gotten paid more to do
penelope has to be like you know she has
to be the person that's uh
handling our books analytics maybe yeah
she could be our analytics person
definitely yeah james has
done some very good recognition
actualization things
of things listen vegan tattoos i saw the
other day i
actually should have said this one of
the fastest growing businesses in
america
very behind cbd and uh
vaping but you know one of the fastest
businesses also empanadas very high on
the list
empanadas isn't that like schneider's
mother's epidata is
according to ad age i want to say is the
second or third fastest growing
small business in america isn't that
schneider's mother's business
yes right she's the empanada lady i like
a rapist
same no she does a rapist what is she
doing she says
she's a rape believer oh that place is
great didn't they didn't they close down
though
like they cart closed or the store
closed down but the cart's still around
right
yeah i think so i think uh covent that
stinks i think james spooner would also
be like if we were like a hip startup
and we had like the chief storytelling
officer like i feel like he'd be that
guy like our content guy
so i think there's a lot a lot of like
more creative people i think they could
be moved around to a lot of different
things
all right i got a job even though he's
capable of more for chris
receptionist just because it'd be
hilarious
but everybody that called you'd be
having some some podcast conversation
about their lives
it'd be like the funniest thing of all
time
all right a good thing that's the great
ending
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